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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-5505</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I said, to turn down breast-benefits passively bestowed upon you crosses the line between consistent principles, and activism. I was just inquiring about you seeming to regard it as a good thing in your post. 
A lot of us are subtly privileged for reasons we understand to be unfair, and while we may accept the circumstances that cause these privileges to be beyond out control, it doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t bemoan the nature of said circumstances. 
I, for example, am a white male, which means that there is an unfair, but real, subtle bias towards my being regarded as a credible scientist. While this is ultimately beneficial for me, and while I am essentially powerless to change the global circumstances that cause this, I by no means celebrate the fact that the world is subtly racist and sexist. 

I digress, though. Perhaps I&#039;m reading too much into your &quot;Just in case you needed another reason for why being young, female, and b00b-endowed is ultimately a good thing, my mechanic provides the answers&quot; and &quot;Uh huh buddy, I see what you’re doing. I like it. I’ll reap the benefits my b00bs bring!&quot; statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I said, to turn down breast-benefits passively bestowed upon you crosses the line between consistent principles, and activism. I was just inquiring about you seeming to regard it as a good thing in your post.<br />
A lot of us are subtly privileged for reasons we understand to be unfair, and while we may accept the circumstances that cause these privileges to be beyond out control, it doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t bemoan the nature of said circumstances.<br />
I, for example, am a white male, which means that there is an unfair, but real, subtle bias towards my being regarded as a credible scientist. While this is ultimately beneficial for me, and while I am essentially powerless to change the global circumstances that cause this, I by no means celebrate the fact that the world is subtly racist and sexist. </p>
<p>I digress, though. Perhaps I&#8217;m reading too much into your &#8220;Just in case you needed another reason for why being young, female, and b00b-endowed is ultimately a good thing, my mechanic provides the answers&#8221; and &#8220;Uh huh buddy, I see what you’re doing. I like it. I’ll reap the benefits my b00bs bring!&#8221; statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-5478</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply:
I wouldn&#039;t dare suggest you are not &#039;allowed&#039; to hold conflicting positions, and certainly would not wish to tell you what to do. I was simply inquiring about how you reconcile these two seemingly incongruous positions.

Certainly the two scenarios and outcomes are highly dissimilar, and I don&#039;t suggest that there is any common factor between them aside from your beliefs as to how much people should rely on body-part considerations in their decision making. This is the principle I&#039;m inquiring about.

If one is in a relationship, and one&#039;s partner is gauging their interest in said relationship on whatever breasts the other possesses, this is a bad judgement, and will (presumably) lead to bad outcomes. If one is seeking a hire car from a mechanic, and said mechanic will judge what quality car the client will receive based on the breasts they possess, this is also a bad judgement (it is, after all, the same judgement), though with a potentially beneficial outcome. 

Your acceptance of the latter, but not the former, implies that you are endorsing of the idea of people making (and acting on) decisions based on body-parts, when the outcome is beneficial. This would be fine (sort of) if you cared only about the consequences of someone&#039;s actions, as opposed to the principles behind their decisions. But in the relationship context, your objection to a person&#039;s employment of body-part centred judgements seems drawn from the reality that body-parts are an unfair and meaningless basis for making important decisions about someone as a person. As such, the core judgement is flawed, and as a matter of principle, nothing truly good could come of it.

It just seems strange, then, that you would be willing to celebrate a positive outcome, which is the result of a judgement that in another circumstance you would condemn on principle.

That said, I don&#039;t mean to come here and harrass you on your own blog. It would be crossing the line between consistent behaviour and &#039;activism&#039; to actively refuse a better hire car on suspicion that you received it for less-than-honourable reasons. I just found it odd that you seemed to &lt;i&gt;celebrate&lt;/i&gt; this event in your entry. 

As for consistency in a global sense, the value isn&#039;t so much in consistent behaviour (though it helps), but consistent judgements, beliefs and standards. How one behaves is often an indication of what one thinks, and consistency in what one thinks about the world suggests that one&#039;s stance is well-formed, or at least strongly considered. In that sense I would suggest that consistency is good in that it tends to be necessary (though not sufficient) for well thought out, reasonable world views.

I really should apologise for this, as well. I write replies that are entirely too long, and I&#039;d imagine you&#039;re not fond of long comments cluttering up your blog pages.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Reply:&lt;/strong&gt; There&#039;s no need to apologise - if writing long replies is the only way you can get a message across, then that&#039;s just the way it is. Nevertheless I reiterate: regardless of the principles behind the action, you have to consider the circumstances in which it takes place. &lt;strong&gt;I know&lt;/strong&gt; that by accepting a better hire car, I&#039;m not being held to a longer commitment. If I enter a relationship &lt;strong&gt;knowing&lt;/strong&gt; that the other party is embarking on said relationship because of my breasts, I am being held to a longer commitment.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;While on principle I may wish to be acknowledged for my person rather than my physical appearance, I understand that in day to day life people will see me as nothing but a pair of knockers - this is a reality, so I&#039;m more than willing to reap the benefits that this stereotyping may bring. If I get a better hire car, if I get served first at a bar, if I get a few drinks bought for me, I&#039;m not going to turn them down. To knowingly embark on a longer commitment where my value is measured by the bouyancy of my breasts however, is anathema.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply:<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t dare suggest you are not &#8216;allowed&#8217; to hold conflicting positions, and certainly would not wish to tell you what to do. I was simply inquiring about how you reconcile these two seemingly incongruous positions.</p>
<p>Certainly the two scenarios and outcomes are highly dissimilar, and I don&#8217;t suggest that there is any common factor between them aside from your beliefs as to how much people should rely on body-part considerations in their decision making. This is the principle I&#8217;m inquiring about.</p>
<p>If one is in a relationship, and one&#8217;s partner is gauging their interest in said relationship on whatever breasts the other possesses, this is a bad judgement, and will (presumably) lead to bad outcomes. If one is seeking a hire car from a mechanic, and said mechanic will judge what quality car the client will receive based on the breasts they possess, this is also a bad judgement (it is, after all, the same judgement), though with a potentially beneficial outcome. </p>
<p>Your acceptance of the latter, but not the former, implies that you are endorsing of the idea of people making (and acting on) decisions based on body-parts, when the outcome is beneficial. This would be fine (sort of) if you cared only about the consequences of someone&#8217;s actions, as opposed to the principles behind their decisions. But in the relationship context, your objection to a person&#8217;s employment of body-part centred judgements seems drawn from the reality that body-parts are an unfair and meaningless basis for making important decisions about someone as a person. As such, the core judgement is flawed, and as a matter of principle, nothing truly good could come of it.</p>
<p>It just seems strange, then, that you would be willing to celebrate a positive outcome, which is the result of a judgement that in another circumstance you would condemn on principle.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t mean to come here and harrass you on your own blog. It would be crossing the line between consistent behaviour and &#8216;activism&#8217; to actively refuse a better hire car on suspicion that you received it for less-than-honourable reasons. I just found it odd that you seemed to <i>celebrate</i> this event in your entry. </p>
<p>As for consistency in a global sense, the value isn&#8217;t so much in consistent behaviour (though it helps), but consistent judgements, beliefs and standards. How one behaves is often an indication of what one thinks, and consistency in what one thinks about the world suggests that one&#8217;s stance is well-formed, or at least strongly considered. In that sense I would suggest that consistency is good in that it tends to be necessary (though not sufficient) for well thought out, reasonable world views.</p>
<p>I really should apologise for this, as well. I write replies that are entirely too long, and I&#8217;d imagine you&#8217;re not fond of long comments cluttering up your blog pages.</p>
<p><em><strong>Reply:</strong> There&#8217;s no need to apologise &#8211; if writing long replies is the only way you can get a message across, then that&#8217;s just the way it is. Nevertheless I reiterate: regardless of the principles behind the action, you have to consider the circumstances in which it takes place. <strong>I know</strong> that by accepting a better hire car, I&#8217;m not being held to a longer commitment. If I enter a relationship <strong>knowing</strong> that the other party is embarking on said relationship because of my breasts, I am being held to a longer commitment.</em></p>
<p><em>While on principle I may wish to be acknowledged for my person rather than my physical appearance, I understand that in day to day life people will see me as nothing but a pair of knockers &#8211; this is a reality, so I&#8217;m more than willing to reap the benefits that this stereotyping may bring. If I get a better hire car, if I get served first at a bar, if I get a few drinks bought for me, I&#8217;m not going to turn them down. To knowingly embark on a longer commitment where my value is measured by the bouyancy of my breasts however, is anathema.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-5360</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but notice some inconsistencies between this post, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://jing-wen.com/2007/08/17/sabotage-in-soul-mate-search/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this other post&lt;/a&gt;.
Do you enjoy being reduced to and regarded for your breasts? Or do you find it sad, shallow and invoking of impatience? It doesn&#039;t seem like one can hold both positions simultaneously.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Reply:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;m failing to see how I&#039;m not &#039;allowed&#039; to hold two positions on the same topic? Obviously it depends on the situation and consequences of the situation - if I get a better hire car on the basis of my physical appearance, I&#039;m not going to turn it down. If I&#039;m in a long-term relationship with someone who&#039;s with me on the basis of my breasts, obviously that&#039;s not ideal.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;The effort and time placed into the two situations is entirely different - I&#039;m interested in how you believe that renting a hire car and a long-term relationship can be the same, and indeed, why you believe that people have to be consistent in all circumstances.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but notice some inconsistencies between this post, and <a href="http://jing-wen.com/2007/08/17/sabotage-in-soul-mate-search/" rel="nofollow">this other post</a>.<br />
Do you enjoy being reduced to and regarded for your breasts? Or do you find it sad, shallow and invoking of impatience? It doesn&#8217;t seem like one can hold both positions simultaneously.</p>
<p><em><strong>Reply:</strong> I&#8217;m failing to see how I&#8217;m not &#8216;allowed&#8217; to hold two positions on the same topic? Obviously it depends on the situation and consequences of the situation &#8211; if I get a better hire car on the basis of my physical appearance, I&#8217;m not going to turn it down. If I&#8217;m in a long-term relationship with someone who&#8217;s with me on the basis of my breasts, obviously that&#8217;s not ideal.</em></p>
<p><em>The effort and time placed into the two situations is entirely different &#8211; I&#8217;m interested in how you believe that renting a hire car and a long-term relationship can be the same, and indeed, why you believe that people have to be consistent in all circumstances.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Xuan</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-5087</link>
		<dc:creator>Xuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Times like these make me wish chicks (wait, no, gay guys too) would hold some publically viewable value on crotch bulge. But, then again, that&#039;d be just weird.

Your &quot;knockers&quot; are hard workers. Very nice. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Times like these make me wish chicks (wait, no, gay guys too) would hold some publically viewable value on crotch bulge. But, then again, that&#8217;d be just weird.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;knockers&#8221; are hard workers. Very nice. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylee</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-4993</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaylee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess those of us that aren&#039;t b00b-endowed have to suffer through mediocre service :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess those of us that aren&#8217;t b00b-endowed have to suffer through mediocre service :(</p>
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		<title>By: Nellie</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-4990</link>
		<dc:creator>Nellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrmph. I get no b00b benefits, damnit.</description>
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		<title>By: Kaisa</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-4988</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me wants bigger b00bs. NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me wants bigger b00bs. NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Anastasia</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-4987</link>
		<dc:creator>Anastasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have much b00b! Stop making me cry with your stories of how great they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much b00b! Stop making me cry with your stories of how great they are!</p>
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		<title>By: Mallory</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-4984</link>
		<dc:creator>Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had boobies. I wear padded bras so it doesn&#039;t look like I&#039;m in grade school. I just want a B cup! And maybe a little cleavage. My sister seems to have gotten all the boob genes from my family. She&#039;s 4 years younger and hers are larger than mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had boobies. I wear padded bras so it doesn&#8217;t look like I&#8217;m in grade school. I just want a B cup! And maybe a little cleavage. My sister seems to have gotten all the boob genes from my family. She&#8217;s 4 years younger and hers are larger than mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Aisling</title>
		<link>http://jing-wen.com/2007/09/11/mechanics-are-partial-to-a-bit-of-boob/comment-page-1/#comment-4981</link>
		<dc:creator>Aisling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Is this what I have to look forward to? I&#039;ve always had small boobs, but recently, because I gained a bit of weight eating too many gov&#039;t-funded carbs, and therefore grew boobs. Usually, I&#039;m an A, but now I&#039;m a C! I know, that isn&#039;t very big still, but they definitely do get more attention. I got home after 9 months of travelling, and the first things my friends say to me are &quot;OMG YOUR BOOBS ARE MASSIVE!&quot;  SO, I knew they were conversation starters, and attention grabbers, but I didn&#039;t know they had the power to get me better free stuff!!! Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Is this what I have to look forward to? I&#8217;ve always had small boobs, but recently, because I gained a bit of weight eating too many gov&#8217;t-funded carbs, and therefore grew boobs. Usually, I&#8217;m an A, but now I&#8217;m a C! I know, that isn&#8217;t very big still, but they definitely do get more attention. I got home after 9 months of travelling, and the first things my friends say to me are &#8220;OMG YOUR BOOBS ARE MASSIVE!&#8221;  SO, I knew they were conversation starters, and attention grabbers, but I didn&#8217;t know they had the power to get me better free stuff!!! Wow.</p>
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